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1 Hadith-e-Thaqalayn on Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:07 pm

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Hadeeth as follow:
I am leaving among you that which if you hold on to you shall never go astray


Question: How shias are holding to them?

Now lets se what shia alim says about it (i.e. Quran):

1) al-Bahrani wrote in his Tafseer al-Burhaan:
Know, that the truth which there is no way around it, because of the multi-narrations (mutawatir) and other, is that the Qur'an which we have in our hands today, has suffered some changes after the Messenger of Allah [pbuh]. That those who collected it after him, have dropped and deleted many words and verses, and that the protected Qur'an from such changes and agreeable to the revelation of Allah Ta'ala is the one which was collected by Ali [as] and guarded until it reached his son al-Hasan [as] and so on until it ended in the possession of al-Qa'im (Mahdi) [as] who has it with him today.

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2) Majlisi in "Bihar ul anwar" 89/42-43:
في رواية أبي ذر الغفاري رضي الله عنه أنه لما توفي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله جمع علي عليه السلام القرآن وجاء به إلى المهاجرين والانصار وعرضه عليهم كما قد أوصاه بذلك رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم .
فلما فتحه أبوبكر خرج في أول صفحة فتحها فضائح القوم ، فوثب عمر وقال : يا علي اردده فلا حاجة لنا فيه ، فأخذه علي عليه السلام وانصرف ثم أحضروا زيد بن ثابت وكان قاريا للقرآن ، فقال له عمر : إن عليا جاءنا بالقرآن ، وفيه فضائح المهاجرين والانصار : وقد رأينا أن نؤلف القرآن ونسقط منه ما كان فيه فضيحة وهتك للمهاجرين والانصار ، فأجابه زيد إلى ذلك ثم قال : فان أنا فرغت من القرآن على ما سألتم وأظهر علي القرآن الذي ألفه أليس قد
بطل ما قد عملتم ؟ قال عمر : فما الحيلة ؟ قال زيد أنتم أعلم بالحيلة ، فقال عمر : ما حيلة دون أن نقتله ونستريح منه ، فدبر في قتله على يد خالدبن الوليد ، فلم يقدر على ذلك وقد مضى شرح ذلك فلما استخلف عمر سأل عليا عليه السلام أن يدفع إليهم القرآن فيحرفوه فيما بينهم ، فقال : يا أبا الحسن إن جئت بالقرآن الذي كنت جئت به إلى أبي بكر حتى نجتمع عليه ، فقال علي عليه السلام : هيهات ليس إلى ذلك سبيل إنما جئت به إلى أبي بكر لتقوم الحجة عليكم ولا تقولوا يوم القيامة إنا كنا عن هذا غافلين أو تقولوا ما جئتنا به ، إن القرآن الذي عندي لا يمسه إلا المطهرون والاوصياء من ولدي ، فقال عمر : فهل وقت لا ظهاره معلوم ؟ قال علي عليه السلام : نعم إذا اقام القائم من ولدي يظهره ويحمل الناس عليه فتجري السنة عليه

3) Feyz Kashani "Safi" 1/43-44
قال : وفي رواية أبي ذر الغفاري رضي الله عنه أنه لما توفي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله جمع علي عليه السلام القرآن وجاء به إلى المهاجرين والأنصار وعرضه عليهم لما قد أوصاه بذلك رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فلما فتحه أبو بكر خرج في أول صفحة فتحها فضائح القوم فوثب عمر فقال : يا علي أردده فلا حاجة لنا فيه فأخذه علي عليه السلام وانصرف ثم احضر زيد بن ثابت وكان قارئا للقرآن فقال له عمر إن عليا عليه السلام جاءنا بالقرآن وفيه فضائح المهاجرين والأنصار ، وقد أردنا أن تؤلف لنا القرآن وتسقط منه ما كان فيه فضيحة وهتك للمهاجرين والأنصار . فأجابه زيد إلى ذلك ثم قال : فإن أنا فرغت من القرآن على ما سألتم وأظهر علي القرآن الذي ألفه أليس قد بطل كل ما قد عملتم . ثم قال عمر : فما الحيلة ؟ قال زيد : أنتم أعلم بالحيلة . فقال عمر : ما الحيلة دون أن نقتله ونستريح منه . فدبر في قتله على يد خالد بن الوليد فلم يقدر على ذلك وقد مضى شرح ذلك (1) ، فلما استخلف عمر سأل عليا أن يدفع إليهم القرآن فيحرفوه فيما بينهم . فقال : يا أبا الحسن إن كنت جئت به إلى أبي بكر فأت به إلينا حتى نجتمع عليه . فقال علي عليه السلام : هيهات ليس إلى ذلك سبيل إنما جئت به إلى أبي بكر لتقوم الحجة عليكم ولا
تقولوا يوم القيامة إنا كنا عن هذا غافلين أو تقولوا ما جئتنا به إن القرآن الذي عندي لا يمسه إلا المطهرون والأوصياء من ولدي فقال عمر فهل وقت لإظهاره معلوم ؟ قال علي عليه السلام : نعم إذا قام القائم من ولدي يظهره ويحمل الناس عليه فتجري السنة به

Translation: As it was reported from Abu Zarr al Gifaree: “When prophet died, Ali gathered Quran, and came to muhajeers and ansaars. He showed them Quran, as it was entrusted by prophet. When Abu Bakr opened it, he seen on the first page the things which disgracing them. Then Umar jump up and said: “Ali, take it away from here, we don’t need it”. Ali (a.s) took it, and left. After that they called for Zayd ibn Thaabit. He was one from the Quran reciters. Umar said to him: “Ali brought us Quran, with bad deeds of muhajeers and ansaars written in. We decided to write down Quran ourselves. So we can delete from it, the places which defame muhajeers and ansaars”. After gathering Quran, Zeyd brought it to them and said: “If I will do all that u say. And he will show me his Quran. Then your intentions will perish?”. Umar asked: “So, what should we do with him?”
Zayd said: “U are better in plot against someone, that me”. Umar said: “We have no other choice than to kill him”. He decided to kill Ali, along with Khaleed ibn Waleed.
But Khaleed couldn’t do that. When Umar became caliph, he asked Ali (a.s) to bring Quran. They wanted to tamper it. Umar said: “O Abu Hasan! Bring us Quran. Which u showed to Abu Bakr, and we will gather around its ruling”. Ali (a.s) said: “No need for that already! I brought it to Abu Bakr, so there would be evidence against u in the dooms say, and can’t say: “we didn’t know”. My Quran, is Quran, which couldn’t be touched except Most-Pure offspring from my children, and wasees”. Umar asked: “Is time of his appearance is known?”. He (a.s) said: “Yes, it’s time when one man from my offspring will appear, and will bring Quran, and will raise humankind with it”.



4) Shaykh al-Mufid writes:
(Imam al-Baqir) said: When the Qai’m from the family of Muhammad, may Allah bless him and his family, arises, he will set up encampments and he will teach the people the Quran as it was revealed by Allah, the Mighty and the High. The greatest difficulty will be for those who have learnt it as it is today, because it differs from its original composition.
Source
Book Title: Kitab al-Irshad (The Book of Guidance)
Author: ash-Shaykh al-Mufid
Publisher: Balagha Books in conjunction with The Muhammadi Trust [1981]
Translated by: I.K.A. Howard
Page: 553


5) Ali Asgar Burjardee in "Akaidu shia" p 27, printed in Iran, said:
والواجب أن نعتقد أن القرآن الأصلي لم يقع فيه تغيير وتبديل مع أنه وقع التحريف والحذف في القرآن الذي ألفه بعض المنافقين، والقرآن الأصلي الحقيقي موجود عند إمام العصر

"It important for to believe that there is no distortion and omission in real Quran. Distortion and ommision took place in Quran, which was compilied by hypocrites. And real, veritable Quran is with imam of the century..."


6) Haji Kareem Khan Kirmanee in "Irshad ul uloom" vol 3, p 121, in Farsi, printed in Teheran, said:
إن الإمام المهدي بعد ظهوره يتلو القرآن، فيقول – المسلمون هذا والله هو القرآن الحقيقي الذي أنزله الله على محمد، والذي حرف وبدل

"Imam Mahdi after his emergence will read Quran, and will say: "Ya moslems, i swear by Allah, this is a real Quran, which was revealed to Mohammad, (which was) tampered and changed".



So Theql al-Akbar is Quran, that is with your Qayum(12th imam), and he is in gayba(missing).

How shias are holding to these two weighty thigs?

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2 The Hadith Of Thaqalayn on Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:15 am

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Bismillah ir-rahma nirahim

The Shias are holding on to the two weighty things that the Messenger of Allah (s) left us on the day of Ghadeer, because No Shia believes that the Qura has been changed or altered or tampered with because off one main fact, Allah said in the Quran that i am the Protector of this book and no evil shall touch it, so how can we Shias believe that the Quran has been tampered with when Allah himself states in the Quran that i am the Protector of this book hmm

To see more on this issue please wacth my video which i have uploaded onto youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGugmDAJiko (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9WbgS-2VOM&feature=related (Part 2)


These two parts of the video will clearly show you that no Shia believes that the Quran has been changed, tampered or altered.

Now regarding the second wieghty thing that the Prophet of Allah (s) left us to follow are you Sunni's following it???!!!

Lets see shall we Smile

If you watch this video which i have uploaded this will clearly show u on numerous occasions that the Sunnis do not love the Ahlulbayt of Rasoolallah (s) and are in fact supporting those who hated them those who oppressed them those who repressed them those who hurt them those who annoyed them etc, yes im talking about ur so called companions of Rasoolallah (s) so watch this video and i will be awating your reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AUTkLJIE3Y

3 Re: Hadith-e-Thaqalayn on Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:39 pm

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Shia_4eva wrote:Bismillah ir-rahma nirahim

The Shias are holding on to the two weighty things that the Messenger of Allah (s) left us on the day of Ghadeer, because No Shia believes that the Qura has been changed or altered or tampered with because off one main fact, Allah said in the Quran that i am the Protector of this book and no evil shall touch it, so how can we Shias believe that the Quran has been tampered with when Allah himself states in the Quran that i am the Protector of this book hmm

To see more on this issue please wacth my video which i have uploaded onto youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGugmDAJiko (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9WbgS-2VOM&feature=related (Part 2)


These two parts of the video will clearly show you that no Shia believes that the Quran has been changed, tampered or altered.

wallahi.. i want u to present sahih hadith regarding this..
Anywz as u can see i already quoted some shia ulemas wordings that they believe quran is distorted.. I think that is not enough for u.. then check the below scan of ur authentic hadith i.e. usool-al-kafi..
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Translation: Usool-al-kafi by kulayni.. page 634
28- It is reported that Ali ibn alhakam, from hishem ibn salim, from abi abdullah(as): The Koran, which was brought by Gabriel(as) to Muhammad S.A.W. contains 17000 verses.

& Most interesting that Majlesee in “Miratul uqul” said hadeeth is saheeh.


Now regarding the second wieghty thing that the Prophet of Allah (s) left us to follow are you Sunni's following it???!!!

Lets see shall we Smile

If you watch this video which i have uploaded this will clearly show u on numerous occasions that the Sunnis do not love the Ahlulbayt of Rasoolallah (s) and are in fact supporting those who hated them those who oppressed them those who repressed them those who hurt them those who annoyed them etc, yes im talking about ur so called companions of Rasoolallah (s) so watch this video and i will be awating your reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AUTkLJIE3Y
what u consider the 2nd wieghty thing as!!
Does loving anybody means hating other!!

R U AKHBARI-SHIA!!

& the above quranic verse is not reveled for ahle-bayt..

Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "To be kind to the family of Muhammad.'' Ibn `Abbas said, "No, you have jumped to a hasty conclusion. There was no clan among Quraysh to whom the Prophet did not have some ties of kinship.'' Ibn `Abbas said, "Except that you uphold the ties of kinship that exist between me and you.'' This was recorded by Al-Bukhari.

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 701
Narrated Tawus:

Ibn 'Abbas recited the Quranic Verse:--'Except to be kind to me for my kin-ship to you--" (42.23) Said bin Jubair said, "(The Verse implies) the kinship of Muhammad." Ibn 'Abbas said, "There was not a single house (i.e. sub-tribe) of Quraish but had a kinship to the Prophet and so the above Verse was revealed in this connection, and its interpretation is: 'O Quraish! You should keep good relation between me (i.e. Muhammad) and you."


whatever u quoted in video is non-authentic..

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