Hz. Hind [ra] Bint Utba VindicatedAsalaam Alaikum,
We all know we have grown up reading this fairytale of a evil witch eating the human parts, this lady vilified by Persian story writers for over 1000yrs and we Muslims accepted as uncorrupted fact of History with out looking at the facts, and if any one raised even a whimper of protest he/she was put down not by rafidah but by us Muslims for challenging the story that we have accepted as a fact of history and our faith
I ask one question the young generation of Muslims who are more analytical then their fore fathers, Would any one declare a house of his cannibalistic enemy as abode of peace and security?
Evidence #1As reported in Tibari
Hz. Hind Bint Utba[ra] Baite at the Hand of the Prophet[saw]
Hz. Hind[ra] said: "You[saw] are taking pledge from us what you have not taken from men, we are giving it because we agree with you[saw]"
RasoolAllah[saw] Said: " Promise that you will not steal"
Hz. Hind[ra] said: " Other then what I have taken from Abu Sufyan[ra], I did not know it was not permissible for me"
Hz. Abu Sufyan[ra] who present there said:" What ever has reached before today is Halal for you"
RasoolAllah[saw] asked:" Are you Hind bint Utba?"
Hz. Hind[ra]Said:"yes, For give my mistakes of the past and Allah will forgive your mistakes"
RasoolAllah[saw] Said: "Promise you will not do Zina"
Hz. Hind[ra] Said:"Do virtuous women do Zina"
RasoolAllah[saw] Said:" Promise you will not kill your young ones"
Hz. Hind[ra] Said:" We raised them and you killed them at Badr"
Hz. Umar[ra] who standing near by started smiling at this answer.
RasoolAllah[saw] Said:"Promise you will stay from false accusation[bohtaan]"
Hz. Hind[ra] Said:"This is a very undesirable and filthy act"
RasoolAllah[saw] Said:"Promise you will never go against my words"
Hz. Hind[ra] Said:" have we have not come here to follow you in good deeds"
RasoolAllah[saw] asked Hz. Umar[ra] to take the Baite from her,
Then RasoolAllah[saw] Made Dua of Maghfira for Hz. Hind[ra]Tareekh-e-Tabari, Vol#2, Page#309 (Urdu translation published in Karachi Pakistan) [/quote]
[quote=Evidence #2]In any legal system the best evidence is the confession, Inshallah will put forth confession statement of the person who Killed Hz. Hamza [ra]. I request brothers to read it with analytical mind and see if you can discover the truth, which our "Ulema" missed.
Sahi Buhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 399:
Narrated Jafar bin 'Amr bin Umaiya:I went out with 'Ubaidullah bin 'Adi Al-Khaiyar. When we reached Hims (i.e. a town in Syria), 'Ubaidullah bin 'Adi said (to me), "Would you like to see Wahshi so that we may ask him about the killing of Hamza?" I replied, "Yes." Wahshi used to live in Hims. We enquired about him and somebody said to us, "He is that in the shade of his palace, as if he were a full water skin." So we went up to him, and when we were at a short distance from him, we greeted him and he greeted us in return. 'Ubaidullah was wearing his turban and Wahshi could not see except his eyes and feet. 'Ubaidullah said, "O Wahshi! Do you know me?" Wahshi looked at him and then said, "No, by Allah! But I know that 'Adi bin Al-Khiyar married a woman called Um Qital, the daughter of Abu Al-Is, and she delivered a boy for him at Mecca, and I looked for a wet nurse for that child. (Once) I carried that child along with his mother and then I handed him over to her, and your feet resemble that child's feet." Then 'Ubaidullah uncovered his face and said (to Wahshi), "Will you tell us (the story of) the killing of Hamza?" Wahshi replied "Yes, Hamza killed Tuaima bin 'Adi bin Al-Khaiyar at Badr (battle) so my master, Jubair bin Mut'im said to me, 'If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free." When the people set out (for the battle of Uhud) in the year of 'Ainain ..'Ainain is a mountain near the mountain of Uhud, and between it and Uhud there is a valley.. I went out with the people for the battle. When the army aligned for the fight, Siba' came out and said, 'Is there any (Muslim) to accept my challenge to a duel?' Hamza bin 'Abdul Muttalib came out and said, 'O Siba'. O Ibn Um Anmar, the one who circumcises other ladies! Do you challenge Allah and His Apostle?' Then Hamza attacked and killed him, causing him to be non-extant like the bygone yesterday. I hid myself under a rock, and when he (i.e. Hamza) came near me, I threw my spear at him, driving it into his umbilicus so that it came out through his buttocks, causing him to die. When all the people returned to Mecca, I too returned with them. I stayed in (Mecca) till Islam spread in it (i.e. Mecca). Then I left for Taif, and when the people (of Taif) sent their messengers to Allah's Apostle, I was told that the Prophet did not harm the messengers; So I too went out with them till I reached Allah's Apostle. When he saw me, he said, 'Are you Wahshi?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Was it you who killed Hamza?' I replied, 'What happened is what you have been told of.' He said, 'Can you hide your face from me?' So I went out when Allah's Apostle died, and Musailamah Al-Kadhdhab appeared (claiming to be a prophet). I said, 'I will go out to Musailamah so that I may kill him, and make amends for killing Hamza. So I went out with the people (to fight Musailamah and his followers) and then famous events took place concerning that battle. Suddenly I saw a man (i.e. Musailamah) standing near a gap in a wall. He looked like an ash-colored camel and his hair was dishevelled. So I threw my spear at him, driving it into his chest in between his breasts till it passed out through his shoulders, and then an Ansari man attacked him and struck him on the head with a sword. 'Abdullah bin 'Umar said, 'A slave girl on the roof of a house said: Alas! The chief of the believers (i.e. Musailamah) has been killed by a black slave."
Investigators: "we may ask him about the killing of Hamza?"
Investigators confirming the identity of the criminal: "O Wahshi! Do you know me?"
Criminal confirms: "your feet resemble that child's feet."
Investigator:"Will you tell us (the story of) the killing of Hamza?"
Confession statment (Motive behind crime): "Yes, Hamza killed Tuaima bin 'Adi bin Al-Khaiyar at Badr (battle) so my master, Jubair bin Mut'im said to me, 'If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free."
^^ Wahshi[ra] was promised FREEDOM for killing Hz. Hamaza[ra] he does not mention the name of Hz. Hind[ra] let alone getting any prize from her for killing any one
Confession statemnet (act of Killing): "I hid myself under a rock, and when he (i.e. Hamza) came near me, I threw my spear at him, driving it into his umbilicus so that it came out through his buttocks, causing him to die"
^^ Wahshi[ra] admit to killing Hz. Hamza[ra] and is explicit in discribing how he did it
Where about of the criminal after the crime: "When all the people returned to Mecca, I too returned with them"
^^Now this is the most important part of statement, Wahshi[ra] was with the army of the Makkan through out their stay at Uhad, he also returned to Makkah with them, so he must have seen what ever happened at Uhad, The eye witness does not mention any mutilation of the body of Hz. Hamaza[ra] by Hz. Hind[ra].
This confession statement by the murderer of Hz. Hamza[ra] exonerate Hz. Hind[ra] Bint Utba from the crime of Mutilation or canabalism.
http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=8980I was recently searching through copy of musnad I got with tehqeeq now alhamdulillah so I thought I would use it to look up some old claims I remembered the Rafidha made against the Muslim Sahabiah
and they said:
Shaykh Shu'aib al-Arnaoot in his column of Imam Dhahabi's book, Siar alam al-Nubala, Volume 3 page 141 states:
"The son of livers eater: Mu'awiya, because his mother Hind peirced (Hamza's body) to get Hamza's [ra] liver after his martyrdom in the battle of Uhud , then she chew it but couldn't eat it so she spat it."
While in the margin of Siar alam al-Nubala, Volume 1, page 180, Seikh Shu'aib al-Arnaoot assured the incedent to be authentic. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal records in Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, Volume 1 page 463 Hadith 4182:
Ibn Masoud narrated: "... They (Muslims) saw Hamza's stomach been ripped and Hind took his liver and chew it but she couldn't eat it, then the Messenger of Allah asked: 'Did she eat some thing from it?'. They (Muslims) answered: 'No'. He [s] said: 'God would not allow a part of Hamza to enter the hell'. Then the prophet placed Hamza before of Him [s] and prayed over him….."Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, Volume 1 page 463 Hadith 4182
In their respective margins of Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, Shaykh Shu'aib al-Arnaoot decalred this tradition 'Hasan' while Shakyh Ahmed Muhammad Shakir (d. 1958) decalred it 'Sahih'.
Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, vol 4 pages 250-251 Tradition 4414 (margin by Shaykh Ahmed Shakir)There are several problems and lies here:
(1) This narration has a narrative inaccuracy because it says Bibi Hind
will go to Jahanam even though we know she
accepted Islaam, that the Prophet image008.gif personally accepted her bayah, that she was a narrator of ahadeeth and that the Prophet image008.gif declared her house as a house of sanctuary during the conquering of Mecca. So which is it? Was she from the illustrious Sahabaiyat
or a dweller of Jahanam and obviously logic dictates through the many authentic riwayat we have on her
, it is the former, so this riwayah can't be true.
(2) The Rafidha said that the Sheykh (Arnaoot) declared the present riwayah as hasan in his tehqeeq. But their lies can be exposed by a cursory glance of the text (I cannot translate the whole thing since he has a long discussion to justify his position). Anyways, he says that the present riwayah is hasan li-ghayrihi and on account of itself, it is da'eef. This is very different from the Rafidi claim on this riwayah.
(3) They gave a list of works later saying that all these works have this riwayah. This is a lie. Many of these works reference back to one of the earlier riwayat on this topic and not necessarily this one. The riwayat on this event are vastly different and attempting to merge the different stories and asanid in this matter, and portray them as one solitary chain/story that all the scholars mentioned is deceptive to say the least.
(4) Concerning the grading by Sheykh Ahmed Shakir, than again, the Rafidha are being deceptive because one can even look on the very scan that they themselves provide (except that it is too small to read and most of their readership doesn't seem to know 'Arabic or would not waste their time there). Although the Sheykh does indeed say "isnaad saheeh", this can be clarified in that the present Sheykh's methodology on what constitutes a saheeh chain is itself problematic not to mention that he would say "isnaad saheeh" if a tradition was supported, even when the present isnaad itself is not saheeh. The proof of this fact comes not just from critical analysises by other scholars but from the work of Sheykh Shakir himself! In the very same tahqeeq which the Rafidha selectively translated, we see that the Sheykh mentions immediately after saying isnaad saheeh censure against one of the narrators in Majmu az Zawaid, additional mention that the sanad is da'eef by Ibn Katheer (rah) in his tareekh, and similar censure on the isnaad being "ghayr jayyid" (not good, not hassan) by Imaam as Suyuti (rah). All of this was omitted by the Rafidha. They mention Ibn Katheer (rah) as having included it in their list, but as usual, they omit what he (rah) said against it
If anyone has evidence from the Two Sahies Al-Bukhari or Al-Muslims which confirm that Hz. Hind[ra] Mutilated or Chewed the body of Hz. Hamza[ra] Please post on this forum.[b]
